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Friday, December 18

  1. page Shannon's Response edited Dear Dr. Baehr, ... an emergency situation, situation; the kind I absolutely, cannot belie…

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    I absolutely, cannot believe that you are comparing the movie to the Neo-Nazi film “I Accuse,” and find myself quite appalled by the comparison. What the Nazi’s did is completely different from what Frankie did in “Million Dollar Baby.” First off, the difference between the consented assisted suicide of Maggie Fitzgerald and the slaughtering of millions of handicapped, Jewish and Evangelical Christian citizens is obviously, the consent.
    Maggie’s will was ultimately to die. Whether it be over boxing or her life, Clint Eastwood’s character, Frankie could not take Maggie’s will away from her not matter how hard he tried, and Maggie proved that to him time and time again. No matter what he said she refused to give up boxing and trained whenever she possibly could. She refused to listen to his crap about her being too old to be trained and managed to get him to not only train her but help her make it to a championship match. And once again she refused to listen to his will for her to live and attempted to kill herself twice by trying to bite her tongue to the point that she would bleed to death. At this point, I think it became quite clear to Frankie that no matter what he said Maggie was going to find a way to die, and soon. Frankie could not deny Maggie anything. She wasn’t just some ordinary person to him, she was one of the few things he had, and he was one of the few things she had. Neither of them had close relationships with their families and so they found a family with each other. As someone who loved her as much as he did I think that Frankie decided that having a quick, peaceful, and somewhat humane death with the help of a loved one was better than a slow, painful and lonely one. In fact when Frankie gave in and told Maggie that he would do what her father would have probably done while he was still alive and kill her, the only thing she could do was smile and let a big, juicy tear roll silently down her cheek after Frankie kissed her good-bye.
    The Nazis however, dragged people out of their houses, loaded them on trains, stuffed them in gas chambers, furnaces, shot them, starved them and even mutilated them to death. The people did not show up, fall down on their knees and beg to have their eyes switched out with another twin’s. They didn’t run into the gas chambers, with Storm Troopers trying to hold them back, and struggle as hard as they could to turn on the gas. They were murdered, slain, slaughtered. They had no say, no choice. They were not questioned, asked if they wanted to live, people just killed them because that is what they were told would make their country thrive.
    As for Clint Eastwood being against handicapped people, I once again must completely disagree with you. Eastwood decided to produce the movie after experiencing the thought provoking and emotionally touching aspects of the book. Both the book and the movie were mainly about a man who has a broken relationship with his daughter, who he writes to every week, but whose letters are sent back and never read, finding a woman who he loves just as much as his daughter and then having to face an awful decision. He had to decide whether he would help his surrogate daughter to die peacefully wish, or sit by her side for as long as he could knowing that someday she would find a way to go against his advice just as she had always done in the past and would kill herself. As I said before he loved her so much he could not deny her anything, even her autonomy. His friend Scrap then writes a letter to Frankie’s daughter letting know that her father does know how to be a father, that he does love her, and that if she would just give him a chance, he would always be there for her no matter what the situation turned out to be.
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  2. page Shane's Response edited ... Dr. Ted Baehr, The movie Million Dollar Baby by Clint Eastwood has come under a lot of blast …
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    Dr. Ted Baehr,
    The movie Million Dollar Baby by Clint Eastwood has come under a lot of blast lately calling the movie a “neo-Nazi” film. In the article by Dr. Ted Baehr he claims that Eastwood is glamorizing euthanasia. He claims that it makes “death better then disability.” I do not believe this movie is glamorizing euthanasia about rather showing one of the many sides of the issue. Eastwood has received a lot of hostility from the handicapped that say his movie makes “death better then disability.” This is unfair because the girl in the movie is not just sort of handicapped she is a head in a bed. With no hope of recovering and with death coming closer and closer due to complications from her not being able to move she is the equivalent of a terminally ill cancer patient. Although I believe some people could make the best out of the situation and continue to live happy lives I do believe that the others that cannot do this should be able to end their misery. For someone whose whole life and her happiness revolves around a sport that required full usage of your body and to have that all taken away from you in a second would be beyond devastating. Now that the only reason in her mind that she lived for was gone she was ready to die. To say that Million Dollar Baby is a neo-Nazi movie is preposterous. Eastwood is not glamorizing euthanasia, he is however shinning some light on a topic that has been swept under the rug for years. Like all other great movies he wanted it to make you think. This is not the world of “1984” that we live in people can express themselves however they please without being censored. Clint Eastwood’s movie Million Dollar Baby is in no way a neo-Nazi film. You Dr. are just trying to find something in nothing.
    Sincerly,Sincerely,
    Shane
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  3. page Shane's Response edited ... Dr. Ted Baehr, The movie Million Dollar Baby by Clint Eastwood has come under a lot of blast …
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    Dr. Ted Baehr,
    The movie Million Dollar Baby by Clint Eastwood has come under a lot of blast lately calling the movie a “neo-Nazi” film. In the article by Dr. Ted Baehr he claims that Eastwood is glamorizing euthanasia. He claims that it makes “death better then disability.” I do not believe this movie is glamorizing euthanasia about rather showing one of the many sides of the issue. Eastwood has received a lot of hostility from the handicapped that say his movie makes “death better then disability.” This is unfair because the girl in the movie is not just sort of handicapped she is a head in a bed. With no hope of recovering and with death coming closer and closer due to complications from her not being able to move she is the equivalent of a terminally ill cancer patient. Although I believe some people could make the best out of the situation and continue to live happy lives I do believe that the others that cannot do this should be able to end their misery. For someone whose whole life and her happiness revolves around a sport that required full usage of your body and to have that all taken away from you in a second would be beyond devastating. Now that the only reason in her mind that she lived for was gone she was ready to die. To say that Million Dollar Baby is a neo-Nazi movie is preposterous. Eastwood is not glamorizing euthanasia, he is however shinning some light on a topic that has been swept under the rug for years. Like all other great movies he wanted it to make you think. This is not the world of “1984” that we live in people can express themselves however they please without being censored. Clint Eastwood’s movie Million Dollar Baby is in no way a neo-Nazi film. You Dr. are just trying to find something in nothing.
    Sincerly,
    Shane

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  4. page Courtnie's Response edited ... Many people, like yourself have seen this movie as being a "million dollar euthanasia mov…
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    Many people, like yourself have seen this movie as being a "million dollar euthanasia movie”, like Rush Limbaugh stated. It is said that it shows a horrible message to those who do have long term disabilities and their family members. Everyone has their own opinion and perspective, some more critical than others say this film persuades the world to make tragic decisions. When really it isn’t at all. If you feel that a movie is going to persuade you to make a “bad” decision then what is the point of going to see it at all. Like Hitler, he convinced countries and people that there should only be one race and to get rid of the Jews, many people do the same thing after seeing a movie with a critical topic like Euthanasia. They think that their opinion is the morally correct solution, when its not. No one is always right or perfect, everyone is different in their actions and opinions and shouldn’t be discriminated against. When you (Ted Baehr) stated that “Love should never trump conscience. Murder is not excusable, even when it is art”, he felt that true Christians support life not murder. This may be his opinion, but I feel it is in no manner a form of murder. She was helped more than hurt. She shouldn’t have to suffer the rest of her life if she doesn’t want to. Would you want to sit in a bed the rest of your life with a family who cares more about getting welfare than you?
    I believe that Million Dollar Baby is an outstanding movie that’s gives inspiration to many, not in assisting suicide, but to go after your dreams and to live life the best you can. Maggie felt her life wasn’t worth living after the severe injuries, but she thought she had had a great life while it had lasted. She accomplished so many things and got through rough times. She didn’t have a family who loved her and supported her, they more ridiculed her than anything. Frankie took away her pain and struggling. Her wanting to be helped to die should never be compared to the Holocaust. Those people never chose to die, they were dramatically forced to. I feel it is your choice whether you want to continue your life struggling and being depressed or to end it peacefully. It is a tough decision, but you should do what you feel is best. No one knows what Maggie was going through unless they were actually put into that same situation, which is why she shouldn’t be judged on choosing life or death. Life is a gift, but no one can decide for you when it is time to end it, it is your own choice.
    Sincerely,
    Courtnie

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  5. page Gavin's Response edited ... I can understand how “Million Dollar Baby” would be offensive to other quadriplegics living fu…
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    I can understand how “Million Dollar Baby” would be offensive to other quadriplegics living full, happy lives but I do not believe claims that the movie is the equivalent of a Nazi propaganda film. Like you, I value life, and I have a relative who is on chemotherapy just like your wife is, but I am not worried about “Million Dollar Baby” sending society down the “slippery slope” towards another Holocaust. “Million Dollar Baby” is controversial, but any movie released today involving the worth of a human life is controversial, and without discussing euthanasia and end-of-life issues no one would be prepared to handle ethical dilemmas when they occur. It is easy for some viewers to hate the movie because of the ending, but in my opinion the film’s main focus is not on the act of murder itself or even on euthanasia. "Million Dollar Baby" tells how a deadly accident fits into the context of one boxer's life and how her friend and trainer struggles with her desire to end a life that she sees as not worth living.
    Sincerely,
    Gavin Haffner
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  6. page Bryan's Response edited Dear Dr. Ted, ... saw this movie, but maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention. The moral …

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    saw this movie, but maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention. The moral I took away from the movie was to follow your dreams, even if some one says you can’t. I definitely feel like this message applies equally to everyone, no matter how many limbs they have. If you really want to you could definitely lambast this as a “million dollar euthanasia movie” written to promote assisted suicide, but it seems just as fair to say that Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet to promote teenage suicide. I also feel like one case of Eastwood not having handicapped accessible bathrooms really isn’t enough evidence to consider him diabolical genius who launches “brilliantly executed” attacks to fulfill his “disability vendetta.” Overall I think this is an instance of not being able to see the forest for the trees.
    You say that “love should never trump conscience,” that murder is inexcusable. I agree that murder is inexcusable, but this can hardly be considered murder. He helped a quadriplegic do something that she couldn’t do herself, nothing more, nothing less. I feel like it should be considered suicide more than euthanasia, except that she was not capable of doing it herself.
    I also think that anything short of her killing herself would have seemed unrealistic. She loved fighting and that is what she lived for. She made a perfectly valid decision, as do many with permanent life altering afflictions. You can’t just sweep assisted suicide under the rug, hide it from all forms of media, pretend it never happens. You may have your will to live, your religious law, or whatever keeps you wanting to live, but you cannot force that upon everyone. She was an intelligent adult who no longer wanted to live, nobody convinced her to kill herself, she chose by herself. This film was a portrayal of someone living their life then ending their life, not of the need to kill off the handicapped. So killing all quadriplegics was definitely not the first thing that came to mind after I saw this movie, but maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention.
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    You say that “love should never trump conscience,” that murder is inexcusable. I agree that murder is inexcusable, but this can hardly be considered murder. He helped a quadriplegic do something that she couldn’t do herself, nothing more, nothing less. I feel like it should be considered suicide more than euthanasia, except that she was not capable of doing it herself.
    I also think that anything short of her killing herself would have seemed unrealistic. She loved fighting and that is what she lived for. She made a perfectly valid decision, as do many with permanent life altering afflictions. You can’t just sweep assisted suicide under the rug, hide it from all forms of media, pretend it never happens. You may have your will to live, your religious law, or whatever keeps you wanting to live, but you cannot force that upon everyone. She was an intelligent adult who no longer wanted to live, nobody convinced her to kill herself, she chose by herself. This film was a portrayal of someone living their life then ending their life, not of the need to kill off the handicapped.
    Sincerely,
    Bryan

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  7. page Cierra's Response edited ... It all comes down to a matter of choice; to live or to die, to be or not to be, yes or no. Eac…
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    It all comes down to a matter of choice; to live or to die, to be or not to be, yes or no. Each individual has a life path that manifests into a direction of higher learning, which leads to finding their lesson, need, or direction. Through these sequences of events every individual finds their message or answer. After watching “Million Dollar Baby”, if a person decides that Frankie helping Maggie to die was the wrong choice, and that she could have still lived a full life, that is the lesson they have learned. With that, it will lead this person down the path to starting a pro-life organization or saying no when a loved one is asking for their help in achieving death, and showing them how to live on through life. Maybe this person thought it was the right thing to do, then there mission or path in life would be to help those who don’t understand why dying is the most reasonable. There is no one answer to one sequence of events; everybody has an individual lesson that they learn. In my opinion, “Million Dollar Baby” was a great movie. There was never one second that I believed that this movie was trying to tell me that death instead of disability is healthier. Not for a moment did I believe that Clint Eastwood made this movie to belittle the disabled; nor try and offend pro-life organizations. In fact, I believe this movie was made to bring about the attention of the choices one would face if you or, someone you knew, was in a position like this. The idea comes down to your heart within your mind, which holds your beliefs, that gives you a choice to make. Truthfully, I believe there will always be points in life where the world will choose to accept an idea, then gradually find out whether it was the wrong or right choice, by the ideas or lessons people are taught from them. “I Accuse” was one of the choices that went through trial and error and was found to be wrong; while “Million Dollar Baby” is still going through trial and error.
    “Million Dollar Baby” was never made to become a Neo-Nazi propaganda film. The film was only portrayed in this way because someone made the choice to compare it to one. The world is only labeling the award winning movie as ‘Neo-Nazi’, because someone who is strongly pro-life, threw a fit and complained to the press; this exploited the movie making it a huge controversy. However, the choice to decide whether “Million Dollar Baby” is trying to secretly promote an idea is left with people; yes, the opinions of others can always influence that choice, but deep down it is what they come to conclude that truly matters.
    Thank you for your time! Sincerely, Cierra
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